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Isn't Cannibalism Bad?

Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:26 PM EST
abortion, religion, christianity, eucharist
By Thinking Rocks
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I'm sure you're familiar with the Eucharist. It's one of the rites practiced by many Christians, through which they endeavor to become closer to their perceived Savior. It started at the Last Supper, and has continued up through the years to today. The ritual (or sacrament or communion) consists of eating a wafer and drinking some wine. The wafer is supposed to represent the body of Christ, while the wine represents his blood.

This is where it gets complicated. Somewhere in this process the wafer actually, miraculously, becomes the body of Christ, whilst the wine actually becomes his blood (there's some disagreement over when, exactly, this occurs, but it's generally agreed that it does, indeed, occur).

Really. The wafer (or 'bread', if you prefer) literally becomes the body of Christ. The wine literally becomes the blood of Christ. And his worshipers consume him. Literally.

I bring this up because I've been involved in several discussions about abortion rights lately. In every one of those discussions, I've been confronted with at least one Christian who insists on boiling all the incredibly complex issues surrounding abortion rights into one simple question: 'Isn't killing babies bad?'

Christians tend to like this line of attack because they view it as their trump card - after all, it's a question that really only has one answer, doesn't it? And they really don't like it when you point out to them that it's not so simple - that the issue's more complicated. That's when they accuse you of overcomplicating something that they feel boils down to that one simple question.

So I've got one simple question for the Christians here. Since they like to take complicated issues and distill them into one ridiculously oversimplified question, I was hoping they could answer my one simple question about the Eucharist:

Isn't cannibalism bad?

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The Eucharist is not meant to be taken literally. Before you flame me, I am not a Christian, I am only a student of it's history and practises.

Please read up on the Catholics side here.

    Reply#1 - Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:54 PM EST
    Thinking Rocks

    Dude, you are just exactly not getting the point.

      Reply#2 - Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:34 PM EST
      mattmoss

      Is killing children bad? Yes.
      Is cannibalism bad? Yes.

      Do Catholics practice cannibalism? No. From www.catholic.com:

      "Catholics don't believe Jesus' presence in the Eucharist is such that the consumption of the Host entails cannibalism. Christ's body and blood aren't present naturally, but supernaturally, under the appearances of bread and wine. This mode of presence rules out cannibalism.

      It's accurate to say that while Christ's presence is real and substantial, the mode of consumption, the way in which we eat his body and drink his blood, is, in a sense, spiritual (though not merely symbolic). When the host is consumed, the physical process of eating affects only the accidents of bread, not the substance of Christ's body and blood, which are beyond our power to injure.

      Catholics, then, truly unite themselves spiritually to Christ who is really, substantially present, and they do so in a way which involves the bodily act of eating, even though the physical aspects of this process affect only the sign or accidents of bread."

        Reply#3 - Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:00 AM EST
        Thinking Rocks

        Once again, a complete failure to get the point. I wish you guys would read the original post a little more carefully.

          Reply#4 - Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:04 AM EST
          mattmoss

          I answered both simple questions.

          But your assertion ("I was hoping they could answer my one simple question about the Eucharist:") that the Eucharist is cannibalism is incorrect.

          So yes, cannibalism is bad. But the Eucharist is not cannibalism.

          And if you think that we are missing the point, then you better restate it, since I can see no other point made in this article.

            Reply#5 - Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:09 AM EST
            Thinking Rocks

            The point is this:

            The Eucharist, like abortion rights, cannot rationally be boiled down into one ridiculously simple question.

            Complex issues merit complex discussion.

              Reply#6 - Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:52 AM EST
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              A-Rod

              Be reasonable man. Do you really think that they are pretending to eat Jesus. Jesus says that these things represent his perfect body that was killed. He asked his followers to perform this ceremony in remembrance of him. Jesus did not say come here and take a bite out of my arm. These things were symbols that represented the new covenant that was put in place. Use something else to try and prove your point. Using this just makes you look like an ignorant 12 year old.

              I understand that if a girl is rapped by her father and gets pregnant that the relationship with that child would be awkward, but you nor the mother nor any other law or human being has the right to take that life or end it before it begins. If you deny this fact then neither do you yourself have the right to live and anyone can "abort" you without any kind of repercussions.

                Reply#10 - Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:44 PM EST
                Thinking Rocks

                My, aren't we full of piss and vinegar.

                I don't mind when people disagree with me. Try not to be a prick about it, though.

                  Reply#11 - Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:05 PM EST
                  FnordJournalist

                  Funny, having gone to Catholic schools and studied Christianity at university I was under the impression from study and speaking to Catholic clergy that transubstantiation of the essence was Catholic doctrine and if you did not believe it was Christ's body and blood you were not Catholic, despite the fact that Leviticus clearly prohibits the consumption of blood.

                  MatMoss has a point about it not being cannibalism, but it had to be explained.

                  That being said, I believe ThinkingRocks was trying to make the point that over-simplification of an issue that many people feel strongly about without even the thought of discussion or admission that others may have different viewpoints is unacceptable. Especially when someone is perfectly willing to defend a gross simplification of their own belief in re:Catholics are cannibals

                    Reply#12 - Tue May 4, 2010 1:12 AM EDT
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